One God or two?

Is the popular conception true, that the God of the Old Testament is different from the God of the New Testament? The Old Testament seems to be full of cataclysmic judgements (the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the plagues of Egypt…) and harsh punishments for what we would deem to be trivial offences (such as the death penalty for gathering firewood on the Sabbath), while the New Testament contains the famous statement that “God is love” (I John 4:8). But the reverse could also be said; the Old Testament also contains many references to God’s love (e.g. Deuteronomy 7:7-9; Jeremiah 31:3), while Jesus had a lot to say on the subject of Hell (e.g. Matthew 25:41; Luke 12:4,5).

The fact is, that God has two sides to His ‘character’: kindness and sternness(Romans 11:22). To say that ‘God is love’ does not mean that He is a soppy sentimental being who would never hurt a fly. Whether we like it or not, both His wrath and His love are evident throughout the Bible, and it is only against the backdrop of His wrath that His love can be demonstrated. Only after narrowly escaping destruction for worshipping the golden calf could Israel begin to understand that He is “the LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet He does not leave the guilty unpunished; He punishes the children and their children for the sin of their parents to the third and fourth generation” (Exodus 34:6,7). The God who must punish the wicked (in order that justice may be satisfied) will in fact go to any lengths to postpone or avert that judgement (Ezekiel 18:23; Jonah 3:10). The ultimate resolution of this dichotomy is the death of Jesus, where God diverts His wrath onto Himself so that the wicked can be spared (Romans 3:25,26).

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21 Responses to One God or two?

  1. The God of the Old and the New Testament is the Same One and Only One God. Though many Christians created an other god and took Jesus also to be their god and the god of the world. But Jesus is the son of God and not God. this false teaching of the Trinity and other twisting of the words written in the Bible created the feeling that the God of the Old writings is an other God than the Messianic Writings, but he is and shall ever be the Same One God.

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    • Deborah says:

      How can Jesus be the Son of God without sharing the divine nature of God?

      Actually there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that Jesus is God. See: https://deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com/the-trinity/3-is-jesus-god/

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      • All human creatures are created in the image of God, as such all have some elements, you may call it parts of DNA from God, in them . Jeshua (Jesus) was placed in a special way in the womb of the young girl Miriam (Mary/Maria)

        “30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found {1} favor with God. {1) Or [grace]} 31 And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 and he shall reign over the house of Jacob {1} for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. {1) Gr [unto the ages]} 34 And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also {1} the holy thing which is begotten {2} shall be called the Son of God. {1) Or [that which is to be born shall be called holy, the Son of God] 2) Some ancient authorities insert [of thee]}” (Luke 1:30-35 ASV)

        “21 Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that, Jesus also having been baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily form, as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself, when he began [to teach], was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the [son] of Heli,” (Luke 3:21-23 ASV)

        Clearly from this we can hear and see that Jesus was place in Mary by the Force of God, Who appeared above him when he was baptised by his cousin in the river Jordan and was said to be the “son of god” and not a god son or God Himself.

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      • Deborah says:

        You also appear to have problems with the personality of the Holy Spirit – who is never described as a mere ‘force’ in the Bible.https://deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com/the-trinity/6-the-holy-spirit/

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      • From the Old and the New Testament we can know that God is an eternal Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not something out of God or an other identity it is God Himself, His thinking, His handling, His speaking, but not a god spirit, part of a triunion god.

        Joh 4:24 The Scriptures 1998+ (24) “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”

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      • Deborah says:

        Paul tells us that the Holy Spirit “intercedes for us” (Romans 8:26). Is God then ‘praying to Himself’?

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      • Considering you and the writer there speak English we placed what English dictionaries say about the Greek word used in the New testament. But in case you speak an other language we can look for other explanations of the word used in other language dictionaries, if you want.

        Her in Belgium about 67 languages are spoken and three languages are taken for the standard language (Dutch, French and German) whilst for commerce and common conversation by non-comprehension in those languages English is used as intermediary language. The other commercial languages are: Spanish and Mandarin.
        To our knowledge in all those languages the Holy Pneuma or Holy Spirit, which can also be translated in Holy ghost in English is the Working of the Force or the establishment of an action.

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      • Deborah says:

        This is what an English dictionary says about the Greek word ‘pneuma’:
        “wind, breath, things which are commonly perceived as having no material substance; by extension: spirit, heart, mind, the immaterial part of the inner person that can respond to God; spirit being: (evil) spirit, ghost, God the Holy Spirit” https://www.teknia.com/greek-dictionary/pneuma
        This doesn’t mention ‘the working of a force’ or ‘the establishment of an action’. The meaning of the Greek word should be the same, whatever language it is translated into. I suspect your ‘knowledge’ to be misinformed.

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      • You mention it yourself that the dictionary claims “the inner person that can respond to God” so why do you not believe the Spirit of God is His ‘wind, breath’ and not a person with ‘material substance’?

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      • Deborah says:

        The Holy Spirit does not have a ‘material substance’. I don’t know of any Christian who believes that He does.

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      • The Holy Spirit does not have a ‘material substance’. I that is tjust what we are saying already along the whole line. But you think the Holy Spirit to be a god next to God the Father; It is not us who say God the Holy Spririt and god the son. We never think of a triune God. It is you, not us who makes that ‘marker’, please do remember that is what started this discussion.

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      • Deborah says:

        Perhaps you are a bit confused about what Trinitarians actually believe? Which I can quite understand, because it is complicated and rarely well explained. I have done my best here:
        https://deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com/the-trinity/

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      • You say the wind, breath, mind, immaterial part of the inner person is not a ‘working force’ or ‘the establishment of an action’. Is that really how you interpret the saying of that dictionary?

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      • Deborah says:

        If I wanted a word to describe ‘working force’ or ‘the establishment of an action’ I wouldn’t use the word ‘spirit’. ‘Spirit’ means something different in English – and in Greek.

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      • What is your spirit than? and what about a person who has a lively spirit?

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      • Deborah says:

        I have tried to explain the relationship between a human spirit and the Spirit of God here:
        https://deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com/the-trinity/1-the-nature-of-god/

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  2. Why would God God then be ‘praying to Himself’ when the Holy Spirit intercedes. Do you not think for yourself either? Is your mind not wondering about things and letting you think? the same for god’s mind. He thinks and interprets.

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    • Deborah says:

      You obviously have a different conception of God…

      “Why would God God then be ‘praying to Himself’ when the Holy Spirit intercedes.” Because you said that the Holy Spirit “is not something out of God or an other identity it is God Himself”. If the Holy Spirit is in no way distinct from God, then when the Holy Spirit intercedes with God, God would be interceding with Himself. If it is ‘OK’ for God to pray to Himself when the Holy Spirit prays, why not when Jesus prays?

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